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In a world where artificial intelligence, data, and digital infrastructure have become strategic assets, geopolitics is changing at an unprecedented pace. In this on/off conversation, Richard Kouyoumdjian, a security expert, former Navy officer, and executive vice president of Athena Lab, discusses with journalist Karin Ebensperger how the competition between the United States and China is no longer framed solely in military or commercial terms, but also in the technological arena.